Curse

Thanas · Jul 14, 2005, 02:00 PM // 14:00

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Originally Posted by arredondo

Good evening Gaile,

Is there any official word, one way or the other, about allowing Attribute Refund Points to be fully restored when returning to town? This will allow it to be in line with what is currently allowed in freely changing our skills and secondary profession when not in a battle area.

This is completely unecessary! I usually gain all my refund points after one mission. So whats the problem? Now refunds have been re-implemeted in PvP theres no need for this here either. IMHO refunds are integral to the game, since they effectively force you to play with a skill set for a period of time.

I mean at the same time why don't we make it so we can reset classes in town too!

Nefser · Jul 14, 2005, 02:23 PM // 14:23

Once you've progressed in the game you can reset classes - at least your secondary. They've already implemented that, or haven't you gotten that far in the game yet?

As far as refund points go, they serve no purpose that I can see. At least the cap was raised from a insanely comical 10 to a vaguely reasonable 24. But when you want to re-work your char. for various reasons in a short period of time (from smiter[bit of solo grind] to full heal [assist with a mission] to protection [doing a mission for yourself] in, say 2-4 hours), you don't want to be forced to have to go acquire n xp taking x time just to adjust your points accordingly.

What's the purpose for the delay to acquire xp for refund points?

Ipillo Wupwup · Jul 14, 2005, 02:27 PM // 14:27

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Originally Posted by theclam

It's a good update, ANet. Still, I'm a little unsatisfied. I was hoping that last week's update skip meant that we'd be seeing the new areas. However, you never promised it, so I guess I can't count it against you.

Since the "Brand The Boss" contest goes on until end of july you shouldn't expect the new areas before august

Ipillo Wupwup · Jul 14, 2005, 02:32 PM // 14:32

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Originally Posted by Nefser

But when you want to re-work your char. for various reasons in a short period of time (from smiter[bit of solo grind] to full heal [assist with a mission] to protection [doing a mission for yourself] in, say 2-4 hours), you don't want to be forced to have to go acquire n xp taking x time just to adjust your points accordingly.

Actually if I farm with my monk i get enough xp to reskill to full healer setup within a few minutes... Killing 5 mobs should give you about 100 xp at least - so let's say you encounter 3 groups of them in one run --> 300 xp, more then needed for one refund point. If you don't get enough xp from the mobs you are farming then just go to areas afterwards where you get 100 xp or more per creature and you're back in the healing business in no time

RMThompson · Jul 14, 2005, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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Originally Posted by Nefser

Once you've progressed in the game you can reset classes - at least your secondary. They've already implemented that, or haven't you gotten that far in the game yet?

As far as refund points go, they serve no purpose that I can see. At least the cap was raised from a insanely comical 10 to a vaguely reasonable 24. But when you want to re-work your char. for various reasons in a short period of time (from smiter[bit of solo grind] to full heal [assist with a mission] to protection [doing a mission for yourself] in, say 2-4 hours), you don't want to be forced to have to go acquire n xp taking x time just to adjust your points accordingly.

What's the purpose for the delay to acquire xp for refund points?

I agree you should be able to click on the weapon setup and change not only your WEAPON but also ARMOR and SKILL POINTS. So you can be in a city and quickly change from a Fire Nuker to a Air Ele... in battle a warrior can quickly switch from say hammer to sword to bow and arrow, moving the points around to benefit... I dont get why not after youve ascended and or beat the game. (in fact that would be a nice benefet to beating the game, since there is NONE now...)

And yes ARMOR. If I can afford two/three/four sets of armor each with different attributes why shouldnt I be able to quickly switch between them in TOWN. (not in mission/quests because that would be pretty unreasonable...) I know I could physically do it, but its a pain everytime.

Then again I still think Dual Weilding should be implented, and have reasons for it.. namely the fact they showed us pictures early on of dual weilding characters! They are still on their website!!!!

Divinitys Creature · Jul 14, 2005, 02:50 PM // 14:50

*sigh*

Gaile, my response to this is on TGH please, read the responses in the threads about this update. (I know you do, just saying).

PLEASE FIX THE FIX TO FACTION

Thanas · Jul 14, 2005, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by Nefser

What's the purpose for the delay to acquire xp for refund points?

Please read what I write. Refund points effectively force you into sticking with a set of skills. This makes you

a) think about your skills before setting them
b) wait before changing them allowing you to familiarize yourself with those skills.

This re-inforces the focus of the game i.e. the skills.

There are a number of games where you cannot change your skills. For example Diablo2. At least this game allows skill changes. And it honestly does not take a huge amount of time to gain refund points.

The only problem I had recently with refund points was the lack of XP in PvP which meant if you were using a PvE character in PvP you had to go into the PvE world, do a mission and then change your refund points. This however has been rectified in the most recent update and is no longer a problem.

Torkemada · Jul 14, 2005, 02:59 PM // 14:59

Nice update. I checked and bugs i reported were fixed. LOL.

Srry, had to check.

Very good work.

Keep it comming.

Digitalblast · Jul 14, 2005, 03:04 PM // 15:04

When you are done completing the game i think they should offer you a quest that will allow you to have unlimited refunds while in towns. Ive finnished the game with three characters now. Im getting into the RPG aspect of it playing usualy by myself and sometimes with others. I want to be able to use one skill set for one area and be able to easily change it up without having to grind to get my refund points. Ive unlocked all these skills, i want to use them now. I see no problem at all with allowing us to give us more flexibility with our characters. It will make the game that much more fun.

Doing this will also give us a sense of accomplishment for when we do finnish the game. What else does my character have to do? Make a final quest. Call it know thy self. Make it a nice tough one/long one kinda like villany. Once thats done you get unlimited attr refunds while in towns. That would rock and keep me playing until the expansions come out. As of now... I need to role play.

Arturo02 · Jul 14, 2005, 03:11 PM // 15:11

"Restored XP for PvP games"

thank you.

Siren · Jul 14, 2005, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by Arturo02

"Restored XP for PvP games"

thank you.

And this is why we don't need "Full attribute refund points in town."

And great avatar, by the way.

Talesin Darkbriar · Jul 14, 2005, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by Gaile

* Fixed the following area-of-effect (AOE) spells so that they are no longer cancelled if the target dies while you are casting them: Chaos Storm, Deep Freeze, Desecrate Enchantments, Earthquake, Enfeebling Blood, Eruption, Feast of Corruption, Fireball, Ice Spikes, Maelstrom, Meteor, Meteor Storm, Panic, Phoenix, Plague Sending, Rodgort's Invocation, Rust, Searing Heat, Shadow of Fear, Soothing Images, Suffering.

ooh! ooh! /does happy dance

That is a major change indeed!

Digitalblast · Jul 14, 2005, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by Siren

And this is why we don't need "Full attribute refund points in town."

Speak for yourself. Im a roleplaying player. Its also a major aspect to this game. Ive played pvp only a few times. Its not my thing, not to say i wont get more into it later. Whats this hurt you anyway if we get full refunds in town? You go grind your points back, me i want to role play and use the 250-300 or so skills ive found when i want.

Algren Cole · Jul 14, 2005, 03:58 PM // 15:58

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Originally Posted by Digitalblast

Speak for yourself. Im a roleplaying player. Its also a major aspect to this game. Ive played pvp only a few times. Its not my thing, not to say i wont get more into it later. Whats this hurt you anyway if we get full refunds in town? You go grind your points back, me i want to role play and use the 250-300 or so skills ive found when i want.

I want a ferarri...and a mansion with two indoor swimming pools...and beyonce knowles as a lap ornament....

Aniewiel · Jul 14, 2005, 03:59 PM // 15:59

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I want a ferarri...and a mansion with two indoor swimming pools...and beyonce knowles as a lap ornament....

Uh....

Digitalblast · Jul 14, 2005, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I want a ferarri...and a mansion with two indoor swimming pools...and beyonce knowles as a lap ornament....

You sound like a kid that cant discuss. Please tell me how having this would affect you in any way? Also read the post above (#29) explaining a possible way to implement this. End of game quest. I want to hear good points on why this would wreck the game.

Algren Cole · Jul 14, 2005, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by Digitalblast

You sound like a kid that cant discuss. Please tell me how having this would affect you in any way? Also read the post above (#29) explaining a possible way to implement this. End of game quest. I want to hear good points on why this would wreck the game.

the point is I've learned to live with what I have....and not complain about what I don't. The game is about skill and thought...there is no thought involved in changing your skills/attributes often enough that you'd need to remove the refund system. I change my build quite often...from trapper to protector to interupter to beastmaster.....and I've never been in a situation where I needed to spend hours regaining refund points....I always seem to have enough.

acidteardrop · Jul 14, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

I must say I am very, very pleased with this update as a whole. Non-cancelling spells (Oh how aggrivating that was), updated henchmen... All sorts of good stuff.

I have one major complaint, which in part falls on fault of me. The female Druid's Ascended Armour.

Okay, no offense to whoever designed it, but how much porn were they watching at the time? They had to be really horny to design pseudo-amazon-warrioress garb. The Ascended Druid's Armour I bought over a month ago now makes my character look like a *prostitute. I didn't think it'd be that bad, but some of us (roleplayers especially) don't want our characters to look like *prostitutes, especially when the previous druid's armour completely covered you. They aren't even wearing shoes. They have bags holding their breasts in. It looks like the character took a few strips of leather and draped it over themself. Now I understand the logical reason for requiring that many materials is because the crafter would only use the very finest parts of those materials, but really... The top could be done in two leather squares. One cut in half for each breast and a strap around the back to hold it on. You don't need all those materials for it (though I don't really care about the cost, it just seems a bit lacking in continuity). Eh, I just think it should've been a little more covering. Now yes, I do take part of the blame for my frustration in buying the Druid's armour pre-emptively, and I realize that that severely cuts my right to complain, but come on... Not every female has to be portrayed as a sex object, especially when it's the best armour for that class.

*Changed because the censors give another word for a woman of ill repute as... Wtf? Oo;;

Principa Discordia · Jul 14, 2005, 04:12 PM // 16:12

Stop the personal attacks.

Chowley · Jul 14, 2005, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by acidteardrop

I must say I am very, very pleased with this update as a whole. Non-cancelling spells (Oh how aggrivating that was), updated henchmen... All sorts of good stuff.

I have on major complaint, which in part falls on fault of me. The female Druid's Ascended Armour.

Okay, no offense to whoever designed it, but how much porn were they watching at the time? They had to be really horny to design pseudo-amazon-warrioress garb. The Ascended Druid's Armour I bought over a month ago now makes my character look like a *prostitute. I didn't think it'd be that bad, but some of us (roleplayers especially) don't want our characters to look like *prostitutes, especially when the previous druid's armour completely covered you. They aren't even wearing shoes. They have bags holding their breasts in. It looks like the character took a few strips of leather and draped it over themself. Now I understand the logical reason for requiring that many materials is because the crafter would only use the very finest parts of those materials, but really... The top could be done in two leather squares. One cut in half for each breast and a strap around the back to hold it on. You don't need all those materials for it (though I don't really care about the cost, it just seems a bit lacking in continuity). Eh, I just think it should've been a little more covering. Now yes, I do take part of the blame for my frustration in buying the Druid's armour pre-emptively, and I realize that that severely cuts my right to complain, but come on... Not every female has to be portrayed as a sex object, especially when it's the best armour for that class.

*Changed because the censors for another word for a woman of ill repute is... Wtf? Oo;;

Well the rangers are supposed to be able to live off the land and blend in, so why shouldnt they wear clothes made from the trees and all that. If they were in the jungle and making clothes from the natural resources around them, why would they make something big and heavy, so they can sit in a pool of sweat ? :P If you dont like it, dont wear it, you can use standard druids, theres nothing wrong with it, it looks lovely tbh.

About every female character in the game being a sex object, apply that to real life, is every woman at the beach in a bikini, who are covered less than the rangers sex objects ? Your taking it way too seriously.